The Red Ocean of Cloud Infrastructure Stacks (updated)

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John…. Are you not missing the ultimate cloud appliance the VBlock?

John – vBlocks are the infrastructure and virtualization. You still need the cloud control layer to make it work as a cloud. Add Eucalyptus to a vBlock, and you've got the underpinnings of a cloud. Make sense?

You may want to tease apart the list more into discreet buckets. The list is currently mixing virtualization, provisioning, policy management, paas layers and portals. All are ingredients but not really the comparable. This doesn't necessarily affect your assertion, but certainly will affect the deepness of the red. Then again, there should be a third column: product versus vision but that's a different discussion.

John,

You don't consider Microsoft's Windows Azure Platform [Appliance] to be a stack?

–rj

hmmm… okay, sure I'll add them.

Agreed, but too big a project if I start creating matrices etc. Bottom line doesn't change – friggin' crowded market eh?

John, I disagree, you can add VMware’s vCloud or the forthcoming Redwood and accomplish an integrated Cloud Appliance in the same stack as the VCE consortium and is a very effective appliance–i.e., pre-integrated. Much more like IBM Cloudburst or Unisys SPC than cloud like then Just a Bunch Of Disk and Just a Bunch Of Servers. Full Disclosure I work for Acadia/VCE. But I would say similar things about HP’s Matrix and Oracle’s platform for SaaS on Sun storage and servers. Perhaps there is another category in your not so blue ocean—Private Cloud Stacks.

Don't forget Intalio – see http://www.intalio.com/products

Donald – thanks. Yes, if you add Service Director (f/k/a Redwood) to a vBlock it's a private cloud. But vBlock on its own – at least how it's defined now – does not have the self-service provisioning and other pieces to turn it from a great big stack of converged infrastructure to a full-fledged cloud. Technically you can add Unisys SPC to a vBlock because in our model the cloud resource infrastructure pool is independent from the cloud control layer (e.g. we'll work with anybody's gear, at least in principal). Or am I missing something?

Regarding categorization – that gets a bit difficult when you drill into it. Nothing stopping you from using CloudStack or Enomaly for a private cloud, though I might agree that a lot of enterprise process features would be missing (ITIL, ITSM integration, etc.). Not so likely that a private cloud stack like CloudBurst would make a good public cloud engine. Even IBM's own Dev/Test cloud didn't use CloudBurst. Generally, though, it's a bit fuzzy.

Added – thanks

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Crowded space tells you a couple things IMHO…

1) when you see fast followers (like in this case) you can rest assured there are end user requirement gaps and this means the technology “isn't good enough”.

and

2) when all you hear is talk about the gaps (reasons it's not good enough) one will soon see “good enough”.

I think you're missing a few still, how about LayerBoom, DAAS (daas.com), Surgient and ElasticHosts ?

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Not all aspirants enter the market to end up on top – but to get eaten by the more prosperous. I agree generally with primary market distinctions: enterprise private, provider public, and public sector – but not clear their may be other flavors, or 'mash-ups' yet to evolve.
And what about Verizon or other carriers on here…

please add a new stack named “wakame-vdc” (virtual data center). see also, http://wakame.axsh.jp/vdc.html (Japanese)

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John. You are correct. Today vBlocks is neatly packaged infrastructure. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don. OpSource seem to be the guys that have figured out VMWare, Cisco and EMC. They have amazing network capabilities, open APIs and full orchestration on top of a product that is enterprise ready, best of breed, and available today.

[...] the Red Ocean of cloud infrastructure stacks Randy refers in his blog has a good list …  July 24, 2010  ksankar [...]

John,

Interesting observations…I think it will be interesting to see not only how many “survive”, but how many of those who find themselves in the “top right” of the future Gartner Quadrant in this space, build their offerings on open standards. As many traditional large enterprises (such as the one I work for which shall remain nameless) fight with the concepts of “which cloud”, one of the major draws is the potential elimination of vendor lock-in via the acceptance of open standards. I can’t see how that can be far from the top of the “wanted list” for most IT/Business-savvy folks in positions like mine. I, for one, will be planning carefully for the movement of various workloads in and out of various clouds and, if the pain of doing that is akin to moving workloads from different platforms inside the “firewall” today, then I will know I’ve bet on the wrong horse…..

Best,
Christian

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[...] Cloud Bzz lists more than 30 providers. These include companies that provide enterprise private clouds, public clouds and public sector clouds. John Treadway's take is that over the next few years there will be at most five or six companies that matter in the cloud infrastructure-as-a-service (IaaS) space. [...]

[...] Cloud Bzz lists more than 30 providers. That includes companies that provide enterprise private clouds, public clouds and public sector clouds. John Treadway’s take is that over the next few years there will be at most five or six companies that matter in the cloud infrastructure-as-a-service (IaaS) space. [...]

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Two more for your list! Skydera, and Attribo. See
http://cloudcomputing.info/en/news/2010/08/skyd…
and
http://cloudcomputing.info/en/news/2010/08/attr…

This is getting remarkably silly, isn't it?

You should look into IBM's Tivoli and Systems Director VMControl solutions as well. They aren't packaged as a private cloud solution just yet, but they allow for the management of VMs as well as workload automation and provisioning. I think they are in the same position as HP's BTO and Cloud Assure – products whose roots were in datacenter and IT management but are being either rebranded or repurposed for the cloud.

Thanks. There are many IT automation tools that could be used in cloud stacks, but unless they are packaged as such I won't include them here. Best.

Yes, it is.

Skydera and Attribo are more like cloud management tool plays – perhaps a bit like an enStratus, RightScale, or newScale. They manage AWS and other clouds, but don't provide the stack to build a cloud.

Let me know if you find more.

Thanks

one more for your list: Convirture offers private cloud management with a focus on open source virtualization technologies (KVM, Xen)

http://www.convirture.com/index.php
http://www.convirture.com/solutions_cloudcomput…

You need to add deltacloud.org to this list.

You need to add deltacloud.org to this list.

[...] Cloud Bzz lists more than 30 providers. These include companies that provide enterprise private clouds, public clouds and public sector clouds. John Treadway’s take is that over the next few years there will be at most five or six companies that matter in the cloud infrastructure-as-a-service (IaaS) space. [...]

[...] Treadway, director of cloud computing for Unisys, calls it a “red ocean“. And that is without even mentioning IBM rapidly turning Tivoli into something approximating [...]

[...] Treadway, director of cloud computing for Unisys, calls it a “red ocean“. And that is without even mentioning IBM rapidly turning Tivoli into something approximating [...]

[...] their execution. It seems I am not alone in this skepticism. John Treadway of Cloudbzz recently voiced similar opinion and listed out companies in this space. It seems like every day there’s a new company touting their infrastructure [...]

Thanks for such nice list of cloud computing service providers. I know one more which is also doing well in CA. Its- http://www.onthenetoffice.com

I do list CA up above (CA/3tera AppLogic). Thanks

Xeround is another company that should be on the list – True Cloud Database

Xeround is not a cloud stack.

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I realize this is an old post but I thought I would add that CloudStack went fully open source last month.

I keep coming back to this list. u00a0It’s a good one. u00a0Thanks John,

What do you think of the news from June about Unisys and BMC working together for cloud solutions: http://www.unisys.com/unisys/news/detail.jsp?id=1120000970016110164

What do you think of the news from June about Unisys and BMC working together for cloud solutions: http://www.unisys.com/unisys/news/detail.jsp?id=1120000970016110164

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John you should add ASG Software’s CloudFactory. Check it out at http://www.asg.com